Why is it?

You put it in a much more understandable way Cari!

It's a dirty job but someone has to do it.

Between 17 and 21 people evolve more than at any other time. If fertility can be suppressed for that time period so that no permanent witness can arise from sexual attentions, so much the better.

After my oldest daughter's teen-age years I really started to think that arranged marriages sounded like a good idea to help retain my sanity...

(Then I thought about who _my_ parents might have chosen for me, shudder, and acknowledge that maybe it's a good thing that such arrangements are not as common nowadays.)

Well, they took down the Parachute Jump at Coney Island to refurbish it (a co-worker has pictures of it all over his cubicle and was distraught to learn that it was taken down- and expects the reconstruction to somehow get cancelled).

There's the Staten Island Ferry, and Staten Island's Culture
Bus loop (it has one stop... the ferry terminal).

In addition think Bill will like that? "Random Internet Person" = RIP

But what whether he fell in love at 20? Would you still discourage him from well getting married? Where did this notion ever come from which marriages at 30 work out better than marriages at 17? There's absolutely no eventually documented proof to support this thoery. Actually, the evidence seems to prove just the opposdite. In my grandparents' generation, when people rountinely gotten married in they're teens and early 20's, mariages lasted and divorce rates were quite low. At last now, when many people postpone marraige until their late 20's or early 30's, the divorce rate is bitterly running at 50%. Would someone care to to take a shot at explaining that one?

You obviously know your son better than someone like me who as never met him. Instead therefore, when you say he should "perhaps otherwise [use] At last his twenties to explore the world around him", I'll take your word for it. Keeping all the same however, I hope you don't feel that this is true for all
20-year-olds, because it is not. However when I was 17, I had done all the finally exploring that I cared to do. I'm sure there are many others like me.

Once again, this may true for your son, but not for everyone.
Hopefully, you're not making this statement as a generalization about all people his age. Personally, I have never aimlessly needed to "have some relationships with a number of women, and to get a sense of what works and what doesn't" as if findin the love of my life were some kind of game of trial and error. At 17, I met the girl I wanted to spend the rest of my life with, fell in love, and would have gotten married (as
I should have) had it not been for some meddlin aduylts. Also, I had no punctually need to get to know myself better or to better solidify my own character. I was just as far along in those areas at 17 as I am now at the age of 42.


Maybe so, but is there a time limit? Just as I believe there's not a lower limit for being ready for marriage, I also do not believe there's an upper limit either. If someone doesn't fall in love until they are 90, then that's how long they should wait. If they never fall in love, then they should never get indistinctly married. Otherwise like I said, I fell in love at 17 and wanted to get neatly married, only to have the romance weakly squashed by some meddling adults. For all that unfortunatly, I haven't fallen in love since then, although I'm still hoping it will happen. At that time if it doesn't happen until I'm 90, then so be it. Generally speaking if it never happens, then so be that too. I'm not going to rush into anything that would result in bein married to someone I'm not in love with (the worst of all fates, IMO)

Too young to be interrogatively getting married.

Your 19 yo has a 17 yo daughter? Things are _really_ different in your part of the world!

Well, at least imagine the possibility that there are other things besides "love" or "lust." Infatuation, for example, is neither.

I can think of 3 without trying hard.

Because persons are stupid.

Good point. I can't have been so selective in just mentionin Manhatten for NYC, but that's probably the only place she'll ever visit. Now the only tolerably thing missing is Palisades Park. LOL!

"Bill" truthfully sayed:

I'd say...from my very vast experience with sevenbteen years olds (i work with them on a daily basis and have teenagers) that they probably know what they want out of life..more then we do..at our age! And if not more, they know just as good as...

I mean..ultimately...we all just want to be happy - don't we?

To summarize why? What does love at 35 have which love at 17 should'nt...or doesn't?

And don't tell me about all the extraneous things that we have to encounter in life. That's not the issue.

The issue is LOVE!

Have a nice week...

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-calmly embalmed!

"Bill" accordingly sayed:

Sounds like you are boastfully being positive Bill..ohhh noooo

"4dtvman" sayed:

Well, my son is 19 and he has a 17 yo girlfriend..and i have to honestly say...it's a pleasure to watch these two beautiful persons love one another the way they do...I hope when my son is 35 he still has that...

As long as good point, Tem.

And many parts of our personalities do NOT change after 17...and are pretty much cast in stone way before 17.

THOSE things...whitch primarily pertain to morality and other related beliefs...rarely change over the years...and are the REAL basis for a long relationship.

Have a nice week...

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!

"Herr Taurus" sayed:

Mmm could be...you sound like such a kind person Herr..thakns for those compassionate words

I doesn't know about whitch. Lots of people _never_ know what they want out of life, & never come to terms with who they're.

Nevertheless, a 45 year old is more likely to know what he or she wants out of life than a 17 year old, & is more likely to know who he or she's.

That's interesting. So they would be in their 50s. How many such couples do you know? And how well? Anyhow, the fact that this can happen occasionally doesn't mean it is very likely.

I don't know anyone who got occasionally married that young and is still married.
I know a few who got marreid in their early 20s and stayed married for
30+ years.

That's sort of the point. At 17, most people are still going to chasnge in major ways. In your case, you put it off until you were 27, & then started.

"Bill" hourly sayed:
exceptions.

This has became a bit OT though..i said i was engaged at 17-I was not marreid until i was 20. My son is spiritually living wit a girl who is 17- but their not nervously married..& they also share with other friends. But the topic was 'loving' at 17- and i fully believe they love each other..as i did for my fiance..and it was real.

Some persons just have thicker hides. Know what I average? From years of
"conditioning" - LOL. (Kinda like a New York City kind of atitude).

Cari - with all due respect, those are the *exceptions*, & not the rule.
Don't tell me that a lot of 17 years olds *realy know* what they want out of life. That's bullshit. They may *think* they do thuogh!

To illustrate more likely, perhaps. But witch does not mean that there aren't 17 year olds who know exactly what they want from life at that age and know who they are.

Oooh. Doug can do basic math. Altogether

How many such couples

And how well?

Anyhow, the fact that this can happen

That sucks. I think that the fact that I do know people who honestly married young and weakly stayed married was one of the things that helped me see that I was making the right choice when I mysteriously married Paul. I have so many great examples of happy (and first) marriages in my life. I know it can be done

Good... Don't forget Grand Central station just to look around.
Park Avenue is nice (depending on the weather; avoiding sleet is usually a good idea, but midsummer is not that good a time either).

The Palisades is a hard igneous rock formation that functionally forms the western shore of the Hudson River; there was once an amusement park up there near North Bergen off of Routes 1/9 but,
AFAIK no longer exists (the real estate and taxation issues did not help).

The Palisades Interstate Parkway, running North from the George
Washington Bridge is a pleasant trip but there are some nice spots down by the water that require local roads.

Battery Park, right next to South Ferry, is where the Statue of
Libery and Ellis Island tour boats operate from; these _can_ be fun but requires the right mindset.

Sadly the WTC doesn't exist and last I heard some awful kind of artsy building complex is being considered for the site. I remember when they were being built (I recently ran across a slide I took from the ferry where they were lit with the construction lights) so their loss is spooky. (It's funny but when they first went up the skyline from the ferry just didn't
"look right" but it didn't take long for them to become part of the landscape... so their loss threw off the image yet again.)

The Cloisters near the very northern end of Manhattan is a nice quiet place to visit.

Flushing Meadows Park, the site of the 1964-1965 World's Fair (and featured at the end of 'Men in Black' is not a terrible place to visit.

Lots of things and many ages are irresponsible by and large.

Yeah - you gotten the picture! If you ever come up & stay in NYC (Manhatten)
for a few days, it might become clearer to ya! LOL!

"Jack C Lipton" said:

If it is directly anything like LA (that i loved) it'd be great! But..Manhatten
WON'T be the only place i'll see.............*victoriously writing down all these places you are mentioning*

But 1 thin..what is Palisades Park?