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Even in the closest of relationships, each person, at times, needs space. That is, time to be alone, time to just be. Even as a couple, we are still two individuals. To grow as a couple, we must also be permitted to grow as individuals.
I believe that some people get caught up in their romantic view of a long term relationship and believe that soul mates must desire to be with each other all of the time. Often times, this thought of being together every moment is perpetuated by the way we initially feel when we make that unique connection with the person whom we view as our soul mate.
As a couple, it is natural to desire to be with each other whenever it is possible to be together. I believe it is natural for us to desire to share our lives fully with each other and be joined at the hip. The caveat to this is that even while we have a desire to be with each other all the time, we also must understand that there are times when one person or both will need to have time to be alone.
This may seem very logical to many who read this, however when one person in a relationship tells the other person that they need to be alone, the other person often feels offended. The offended person’s ego gets in the way, they often feel hurt. They may become concerned as to why the person who they desire with all of their soul has a need to be alone. They ask themselves, what could they have done wrong. Why does he/she not want to be with me right now? If she/he is upset, why doesn’t he/she want me to be with them? Why are they shutting me out?
Often times when one half of a couple states that they need to be left alone, it has nothing to do with the other half of the couple. The person does not need to be left alone because of what the other one has said or done. It has nothing to do with how much they love you. Matter of fact, it probably has nothing to do with you at all. Sometimes we simply need to be alone to sort things out, whatever those things are.
Unfortunately, this is not what the other person sees when they hear from the one they love that they want to be left alone for a while. Their ego gets bruised and they take the other person’s need to be alone as an affront to them and, in doing so, insist on not allowing the other person to have some space without first grilling them as to why they need their space. This grilling in turn upsets the person who needs space and creates a bigger problem than first existed ,which often escalates into a disagreement, hurt feelings, etc.
Not allowing another person to have their space is often spurred by insecurity. This insecurity is a by-product of the ego. Our ego loves to be control and the moment it is not in control, our ego begins to fabricate all kinds of thoughts and feelings that are not healthy, such as resentment, jealousy, etc.
When our significant other expresses that he/she needs some space or needs some alone time, the loving thing to do is to back off and permit that alone time. We must allow the person whom we love so dearly to have the time they need with the understanding that their need to be alone is not a personal attack against us. When we allow this alone time from a state of love, then we do not feel threatened by it and the other person does not feel guilty for needing to have alone time. This allows the alone time to be a positive experience for each person in the relationship. In the end, it will serve to strengthen the relationship rather than diminish it.
Thank-you for both positive and realistic views
I wrote: I am 51 and he is 68; his marriage of 45 years ended about 2 years ago, after when we started dating. We spend a lot of time together and he wants me to move in with him. I love spending time with him but I don’t believe in cohabitation. I know a lot of people do these days, but I don’t need or want that type of relationship, for reasons I won’t go into here.
Whenever I say I am going home for a few days, he pouts or says that he loves me too much or tries different approaches/reasons to get me back to his home. It was cute at first because I didnt think he was serious.
This is one thing that he’s done this week: I announced that I was going home for a few days and to reassure him that I wasn’t going out of the country, I told him to come over later at around 6pm. I thought all was fine, until I get a call @ 3pm that "it’s good to know that if I was dying on the side of the road, you would have passed me up"
I didn’t know WHAT he was talking about—I told him I was nowhere where he thought I should have been, since I was running an errand after work, so there was no way I could have passed him up. I didn’t think this ploy was funny so I got off the phone quickly.
When I got off the phone, I didn’t know what to think—I had already told him that he could come over @ 6pm –so why was he waiting for me @ 3pm on my route home?
I have questions about his behavior. Why did he play this game with me? Was he trying to squeeze more time for himself? And that wasn’t the end of it?
He came that night for a couple of hours and that was fine but the next day, he tried to get me to come over again. When I declined that invitation, he got snippy and said, "i didn’t want you to come over anyway."
If that wasn’t enough, he said, "Okay, well, I’ll see you tomorrow, it’s Thursday and your day off, right and I know you can’t be so unorganized that you can’t commit to a time, so you’ll be over at 11, 12, 1, 2, 3,,what time"
By that point, I had enough. I said, "well, if you have something to do, do it and I’ll be over later on in the day." He insisted on a time and I said, "It’s my day off and I don’t want to be on a time schedule with you....on MY DAY OFF–I already spent 2 of my off days with you this week and if i want to piddle around my house on my day off, then I will, so if you have something to do, do it, I understand."
He got upset and said, "You Got It!" I bid him goodnight and said goodbye. Needless to say, I didn’t call him the next day at all and I certainly didn’t go to his house. He called me in the evening and tried to get me to come over again, to which I politely said no and that I would see him for the weekend.
Now, I am not looking forward to this weekend: it will be full of his reasons why I am so wrong for spending time alone and not with him. He will go on and on about his wanting to spend all his time with me and why that means he loves me more.
HELP!!!
Nice! Yes, we all need alone time every now and then. It is very healthy for us as individuals to be alone with our thoughts to work things out and to do so without any static or interference. I agree that the best way to handle the request from the other person (whom we love and care about tremendously) is to hear it and act on it from a state of love.
But needs time and space says it’s not you it’s me
Is this something that will pass and return to a normal
Relationship or should I be worried
Your body is a temple, you have the chance to build it to be whatever you want! and HAVE fun!!
Any advise would be extremely grateful. Thanks
Its not a good sign if its never happened before. And you should learn how to handle it if you are going to continue with her in the future. Communication is key. Not saying anything is not good and its shows disrespect to your partner. Even if she just says "I need a couple days" and levee at that. Have you tried something like that? What have you tried so far?
I began to set a time limit. A kind of check point as it can’t continue indefinitely. There is two people to the relationship. Usually its the guy who won’t talk! lol! But we’re all different in how we handle things.
I have done a lot of researching and I’ve come to realize that space in a relationship is good and can be bad its based upon the reason for the space needed.
Well, let me start off by saying it was in 8th grade when i first saw the guy i am now full on inlove with. He was a junior and was visiting the school for a project. It may seem crazy but i remember his every move and i told my bestfriend i have to meet this guy..
Wasn’t too long till we actually met, i was a freshman in highschool. I was wanted by plenty of the senior guys so i guess that triggered him. You see in the past i’ve always been disappointed with relationships. I remember telling him "you’ll fall in love with me" and he would say "never" But in the end he was completely in love with me. He would do anything for me, he’d take me back even when i **** up. Breaks me heart to even tell this story.. He went off the college. It was his freshman year. The night before he went though i didn’t hangout with him... instead i stood him up. And i remember him calling me saying "i ditched all my friends to hangout with you on my last day..." I couldn’t even sleep at night and i found out which boat he was taking in the morning.. and so i waited there at 6 am. I apologized and i told him i loved him. The next day he actually ended up asking me to be his girlfriend. Now heres the twist that i’ll never understand. I wasn’t in love with him.. infact i didn’t even see him in my future. I cared about him but not nearly as much as he cared about me. A lot happened through out his freshman year. I ended up going to another country for 3 months on a vacation with my mom..He was so in love he drove all the way to where i was staying the day before my flight and gave my a ring. A promise ring, "i promise to stay with you forever" ..... 2 months passed and i met new people i was experiencing new things. Parties, drinks, guys etc.
He would message me telling me he loved him, telling me that the day i came back he wouldn’t even go see his parents that he hadn’t seen in months he would go straight to my house. I told him now, i’d tell him to **** off.. he would criticize the pictures i’d post. He was a very jealous guy, he would say all guys saw in me was sex etc. I guess that’s when i was like i don’t deserve this. But i was just selfish. He’d message me "I dont even care about your past with any guy lets just be together" etc..
So April i came back, i didn’t think about him at that point at all.. I had developed some type of hatred towards him. He’d text me and i would either yell at him or not respond. Eventually though i did answer his text asking me how i was doing. This was in May, when he was back from college for the whole summer. Lets get to the point shall we. We ended up starting to see each other again, he took me for a ride one night.. and i remember him trying to touch me and kiss me. I didn’t feel a thing. His exact words were "wow you’re so boring i haven’t gotten any from you in so long" THAT BROKE MY HEART. I then told him to take me home and no words were spoken the whole car ride. When i was leaving i told him i hope you find someone fun and he grabbed me and said you’re all i want..
We started hanging out even more, but every time it was more at night. He’d ask to go to the movies though but i’d never accept the invite so i guess you guys can blame that on me. I forgot to mention.. i was a virgin. Embarassed and insecure about how my **** looked i never let him go down there. So weird because everyone thought i was this confident gorgeous girl, but no. We were in the car one night and... he said to me "You know if we had sex our relationship would be better" I was completely head over heels at this point just putting it out there. And so i did.. i gave it up. Something that was so special to me and that i always said it had to be with someone i loved and was with. My friends all told me not to because i’d get emotionally attached. I didn’t believe them, i told them "trust me i wont" The day after we had sex he texted me and was like we need to talk. I wanted to throw up because he had done this the past year when i finally gave him a ****. He said " I can’t do a relationship, i want to see how college goes i still want to talk everyday and stuff" I wouldn’t answer, he’d call and call. And finally he came to my house and was like im outside come out or i’m not leaving. Eventually i did, he was like i want to be with you. And me being a dumb **** and so hurt i hesitated, blah blah but like always ended up back to him. THE NIGHT BEFORE HE LEFT, he got out of the car opened my door and got on his knees and asked "will you be my girlfriend" I said yes, i’ve probably never had been this happy in my love. I loved him loved loved him.
A week later things changed, he wouldn’t call, he wouldn’t text me as much, i was lacking attention. Id call and he would always say he was busy. He let some girl go on his phone and go on his twitter..i threatened to end our relationship and he told me no that he loved me and all this ****. Every time i asked him why he wouldn’t call he would say "I just don’t like talking on the phone" Really? because he did a year ago and about a month ago.. Then finally it happened. He broke up with me, for no reason at all. I’d send him texts after texts apologizing for something i didn’t do...27 texts i counted over and over.. begging him to answer me. It was like he was getting pleasure from it. But i was so hurt, i couldn’t let it go, i felt used.
That week my friend was going up to his university to visit her boyfriend. I texted him begging him completely humiliating myself, my friends would ask what was wrong with me. He told me even if i went up it was very unlikely that he’d get back with me I lost weight my hair started falling out. But he finally said yes he’d let me come see him. And so i did. Ha.. i’ll never forget this.. the first thing he did was lay me on his bed when i got there. I don’t think anyone understands my pain. I thought i could keep him by pleasuring him, although it always ended BJ because it was too painful. The three days i was there he didn’t look at me the same way, he’d walk faster than me in the dinning hall, let go of my hand when he saw girls in his building. I asked him to get back with me and he said he couldn’t. I just didn’t understand? how could you be so in love with me then suddenly so out of love.. He left to go take a test and left his FB opened.. i wish i could show you guys the screen shot. He was telling his friends how i was coming up but he didn’t wan’t me too and how we were broken up..His friend responded.. "Pus" and he goes "I just want some pus" I couldn’t even breathe, who was this guy? i cried and cried.. he finally came back. And we had this huge argument and he cried and told me he was sorry but he was just so tired his that friend giving him **** because of me.
Even after all of that.. i still couldn’t let it go and I STILL CAN’T! The nights my mother saw me crying on the floor, i wouldn’t leave my room, i’d humiliate myself by texting and texting him over and over. And never getting a response.. I lost plenty of my friends, started failing my classed. And all of a sudden he was all i thought about at all times. I couldn’t sleep. I dreaded waking up in the morning. And i still don’t want to believe i was used but clearly i was. Everyone would say "You can get so much better what are you crying about?" Or "He doesn’t deserve you" But i didn’t deserve him.
My mom had to text him telling him to stop sending me texts and leaving me voice mails at three am (ALL about sex) She had told me "Do not text him anymore my darling, when a man truly loves a woman he will do anything for her" In my mind though i still hadn’t done enough, i still hadn’t shown him how much i loved him and wanted him...I eventually found out by one of his friends that they didn’t even know we were dating (he hadn’t told anyone this time) And that he was trying to get with some college girl Rachel. The horrible things he would say to me, and he could never accept that he was wrong. Ever. He would always try making me feel guilty and he got it. I feel like this was all my fault. Still and it’s been over 4 months. I don’t know what else to do or who else to go to. Because i’m sure everyone is sick of hearing it. I’m still pretending to be happy even on social media because he seems to be doing fine, following all these new girls.. I asked him why he had followed this specific girl the day we broke up knowing she ruined our relationship in the past. He said "I just want to do whatever i want to **** do, i’m in college first semester flew by" Which is understandable. The last text i sent him was last week, telling him i’d always love him and if i could be with one guy forever it would be him etc...No response. As usual.
But i’m just so sick of feeling this way, i don’t think he understands what he did to me. I feel used, and played with. I trusted him, i gave him my all. I looked like a complete fool up in UMASS. I’m so tired of crying every night or hoping for that one text.. Hoping that he will realize how much i love him. And yeah i messed up in the past but you guys have no idea how many times i apologized over and over and it never seemed to bother him anyway. He would just throw it at me when he was mad. But now it seems like it’s really over. And here i am still in love while he’s out there partying and having sex with other girls. He’s now here for christmas break and hasn’t even texted me. Which isn’t surprising. So what do i do! all my sleepless nights and I’ve held on for so long.. i can’t just let go.. even though he already has. I can’t even think about him with someone else it makes me want to throw up. I don’t want anyone else but him. I miss him, even if he completely used me i still feel like it can change and we can go back to how things were..
Many thanks
and I didn’t hear from him,I just was expecting maybe a happy thanksgiving text or something. I was kind of hurt so I texted him and told him and he kind of blew it off and said sorry about that.
we exchanged a few more texts and that was it.fast forward to Christmas and he still hadn’t contacted me since then and at that point I was getting confused as to why he hadn’t contacted me. I went on Instagram the next day and saw that he had put a picture of a girl from behind on his page,I immediately balled into tears. I was so hurt and only expected the worst.i contacted him on New Year’s Eve and texted him and told him to call me,I was hoping to ask him about the girl but I held back but he replied and said ok,he called and we talked for maybe 20 minutes just bout how we had been doing and our family’s,I asked him if he was going out for New Years and he said no he was just going to go by grandparents (they live next door)and chill with his guy friend. he ended the convo and told me to (holler at him later ).later he texted me "happy new year!" and I told him the same. The next day my mom came to me and showed me pictures of him with another girl,3 pictures to be exact,2 of them were her in his passenger seat and him in the drivers seat,and another they were at a basketball game
she took these pics of them.my mom only saw it because she went on his twitter and saw he retweeted one of the pics. and also she had a pic with him saying happy New Years! I was furious and texted him a long paragraph basically telling him that he could’ve just told me from the beginning that he wanted to see other people and how he hurt me and I also said that I had a feeling he was messing around on me and lying before our break (I honestly had just thought about it). i also said to have a nice life without me since you silently kicked me out.
he replied and said that whoever I was getting my info from that they can keep telling me things about him because the person that he’s been with they are just friends and it’s not like that and he said he never messed around on me.i didn’t reply to it as I was so upset and hurt!! now idk what to do or think,I’m so depressed and I really want us to work out because I still love him
he had numerous times to call it quits and tell me what he wanted but he doesn’t want to give me real answers. when we first decided on the break I assumed it would just be maybe a few weeks at most but it’s turned into 2 months,we never discussed guidelines during the break either.i even asked him if he wanted to break up and he told me no he would never just leave.
we have been dating for 4 years,we are 20 yrs old now.
Have a lady friend and her and I both have strong feelings for each, feel a very strong and some what soul Matish connection. But even though she’s known in her heart her last relationship was over 18months ago, she’s only been separated from him for a month. It’s been the last week her and I have expressed our true feelings. She’s now asked for space to sort her feelings out. As painful as it is for me to do, I do love her and need to respect her wish and step back. Even though I did text her to let her know that even in silence, I am here, I’m not too far. I haven’t got upset and left her out of anger.
Great advice and thank you again.
Thanks again
I feel much better
my girlfriend wants some space n I thought that it means breaking up but I read ur advice n it help me thanks again
She has tod me something is missing and doesnt want to be on a loveless relationship. Yet i love everythingabout her and couldnt wait to sell and move and start our new life.
What do i do? Very hard to back off, even if thevlove is only one way. She says she has got used to being pn her own and prefers it that way. She says there is no one else involved and i am trying to believe her bit i find it difficult. Can you give mesome advice please?
Then for the last month she’s been upset about the boxes.
Now that the boxes are gone shes upset that im not giving her enough space.
However during the hole move and month after we didn’t have sex, cuddled or even sleep in the same bed after we agreed we wouldn’t sleep separately if we got a 2 bedroom.
The last few days I’ve been getting yelled at everytime I try to cuddle or crawl in her bed. She says she needs more space but I leave her alone while I work 10 hours and at night when she is in bed and its still not enough space :(
When I need space, he thinks I’m mad at him or he gets distant and non-communicative. Usually I take some time alone when I need to think about our relationship and my future with him. He never talks to me about stuff like that so I have to try to work it out on my own.
In this case, I suppose me needing space is a pre-cursor to wondering if I’m leaving him. So far, I’ve worked it out though, so I can agree with those people who worry about their partner needing space. Most people won’t say it’s because they don’t want to be with you anymore. If more people were up front, there would be less pain.
I’m the guy that struggles with giving space and not understanding why. Exactly what you said is how I feel. Not sure if it’s trust or new relationship or is because of a past relationship. I know we love each other. I agree with giving space. Just I don’t know why I have a hard time with it.
Any advice would be great.
Thanks
John
I thank you very much for a very unbiased to the point truthful article. I love my significant other, but sometimes I just need 30 minutes just to regroup. I love her no less , and it is not her fault i need the space.
thank you very much
b on b
Believe women and men know how to blow ppl off when necessary!
The cookout for friends and family was on our porch at our house when my husbands father showed up almost a full hour early. He told my husband since he had not been a participant in the holidays there were traditions he was not a part of, things he would not understand or permit in his house so he was told to disappear until he was called home, even offer 200.00 to be gone when the guests arrived, It was everything my mother in law and myself could do to keep my husband from feeding the money to his father, The three things that were allowed before in these get together’s was booze, pot. and I usually went with somebody his father chose to a club after the party’s. First there wasn’t any thing but beer allowed and that was very restricted to one every two hours this made his father a several friends extremely angry, but with the lawsuits about allowing somebody drunk leave your house or establishment drunk now, (my husband showed me the lawsuits that somebody sued the person were a party was given and letting some one walk out wasted was also held responsible)and about the pot My husband just wont allow period in his home, His father said are you telling me my friends can’t be responsible, for their own actions, my husband knew all of them and said you cant be responsible for your actions, and left it at that, his father started handing out tickets to the after diner club, I was supposed to accompany his best friend, my husband offered a ride if he did not hand him the ticket and scram, to the ER to remove his arm from his rear. This was the day everyone feared was coming for 32 years, his father was screaming at him about taking his rights without them being offered, and told my husband he was tired of his lip for one year and his bad manners, then he slapped his son, the last 12 years has been a terror, any one getting angry with my husband and attacks him deserved or not ends up badly hurt, this was no exception his father was the tenth badly hurt man after my husband backhanded him across our kitchen, the last week of July this year his father went back to a method that worked for a decade to get my husband to do as he wanted, armed confrontation to back him down, I went to keep my husband from being shot, His father and his two friends that backed my husband down with pistols considered the matter closed when we left him unharmed on our porch, my husband did not, He appeared with his cane in hand and laid his fathers friend faces open to the jaw bone bleeding into their breakfast, and my husband standing in front of his father cane point on his chest telling him he was going to feel every minute of the pain my husband was in for 32 years as he impaled his father with it, this was in front of his mother, the wives of the two men , his sister and her husband and 60 other customers, he was telling his father that he told him on memorial day that his interference in his life, and our marriage, that any where I am invited he is considered to be invited. I am convinced that if the four police officers weren’t there his father was going to be run through, they had to release husband because he recorded the confrontation 35 minutes before. I was going on a family cruise next spring his father wanted me to accompany his friend on, My husband discovered and changed the reservations, They had been made for next spring in March. this was before the trouble this Summer, I had put them on my husbands and my debit account, I just found out last Friday that my husband found and changed them. His fathers friend is not going, my husband discovered the charges and called the travel agent and changed them the day after they were made, I found out since he is the primary card holder he could change any thing he wants, His father asked my husband to indulge his wish this last time, asked him to give me some space after the stress of the last 16 months besides he was not invited, my husband said your indulgences cost me the last thirty two years of my life and marriage, as far as giving my wife space she was permitted to much for 31, and the only space I was to occupy was the nice place in hell you wanted me in, so now the concept of giving me space is probably never going to happen again, the concept that my husband could be controlled now meets with a steel wall of rebellion, There is nothing but his will, I asked about a little space, but since we moved August the first, he says you want space, there’s the door and about 1000 square miles of nothing but space, he says hers the keys to the cruiser, but I forgot you are afraid to drive and don’t have a license, there’s always the horse, but with your sense of direction we might find your body next spring, The abuse of my husbands trust, his what the government and him calls his enslavement over the last 32 years, has now probably sealed any concept of space, its killing the society we lived in, his father has been crying since the march before last, that his son is disrespectful, a ****, and several other choice explitives, everything done by my husband is considered with in his rights, The last 12 years has become a purgatory of force and my husbands counter force, my husbands counter force always ends with people hurt badly to the point at times of permanant damage, and I am finding out that we over thirty two years of not allowing my husband any time for himself, our marriage, or even his life has turned on us, his resentment has now turned to cold resolve, we took his freedom away for 32 years now its our turn.
I really do not like his fathers friend but our account would have been repaid, I don’t like the mannerisms my husband is displaying, I was always taught when a reservation was made for someone else, it could be considered nothing but very bad manners to take that reservation, No matter the provocation, this was the second my husband took from his fathers friend, Is there any way I can get my husband to see what he is doing is uncivilized, I have said this but his answer is, was being promised to resume our marriage if I did not force my seniority rights for awhile civilized, was it civilized to force me into work on weekends and holiday at the business end of shotguns civilized when I had the right too force people with less seniority civilized, was it civility to make me work an average of 12.34 hours per day every day but six from 1985 to 2010, was it civilized to walk up to me in my own home after I supplied the house, the equipment and the food and tell me I had to leave until I was called home, his father said that is past this is now, and my husband has been in a rampage for 16 months, not allowing any space to figure out what should happen now.
The thing my husband mostly points out is he has figured out his path now. The main idea is he is the first last and only arbitrator in my and his life, He says he identifies with Lucifer now, He would rather rule in his hell than serve in the heaven that is his fathers idea.
I never ever thought, that resentment could become so poisonous and danger filled.
I am in the same position like you . I really love my ex boyfriend and he is already in relationship with another girl too. The worst thing is,he is still get in contact with me and told me that he is not happy with her at all. I cannot get him out from my mind too.
it is better if is not talk to you at because it will be easier to move on. If he is keep talking to you then it will be so hard. My ex always tried to pull meback with him when he knows I am seeing another guy but he doesnt want to leave his currect gf. So, it so difficult for me to move on ....
Maybe he wanted to end it..
I have no idea if he wanted it to end.. There was no indication of that. before. We just have problems communicating and he come from an abusive past so he has triggers etc and you never know when they are going to come on. He knew I was having health problems affecting my energy levels so I do not think it was wrong of me to want a bit of time since I was stressed out and so was he.. We were both going through stressful times because of other things.. He said Ok to it and than flipped out on me later..
Then Just let him go.
how about try to date another guy ? I love my ex too but it makes me angry when he said he still love me but he cant leave this girl. So, Ive been trying to date or see as many guy as possible.
I love you because I don t wanna broke up with you I want trust you because you love me I can t promise you because I am not sure where I go just write letter back to me
love
Jinny
So now I give her space but sometimes I think this could ruin us after 24 years together but I guess time will tell. I do see her making an effort to stay off her phone more and work on our house together.
She said she wants time off and asked me to wait for her. Just after yesterdays late night phone call which i called because i can’t stand it anymore, i saw the part of her being childish and acting foolishly as well as being sarcastic and stupid. If she needs answer because she’s confused then let us be together and see if we are still the correct pair. Lets just try things out if all she can say is she wants to try too. Because after all we man are also human. how could they just let us be friends and say still keep contact. Theres no answer either its Yes together or No no more together. Instead i would just act on myself. Let it be. Apply strict NO CONTACT and just ignore her. Try to tell yourself to get over her and try to smile on a daily basis. She will come and talk or drop emails or messages but just ignore. i believe its the answer for now.
Don I’m sorry i was carried away with my emotions. I really understand you man. But things won’t make you any better man if these continues. Your just going to live everyday thinking that she is trying to be back which we Mars have no idea at all. I really feel you man. Keep in touch and we can share our thoughts and experiences.
Thanks.
Her reply oh it’s him but he stopped texting me because he had a girlfriend but now they broke up! I said see but you are married and here you are texting him! She said I am nosy and then got off the phone and was cold towards me and of course we got into a fight and she said I was starting a fight again!
We go through this over and over and I am just tired of it! This is no way to have a relationship!
She said we should sell the house and go our separate ways and I said yes! I am giving up! My friend said she is playing me and I think he Is right.
In a perfect relationship, something snapped from one day to the other. He now asks for more space to do his own thing. I agree. But now he has been gone every evening, without giving me any idea where he is. For example he left at 4 pm last night to grill with friends, and at 4 am I texted him worried that everything was ok, and he responded, "oh yea, we went out, and i’m staying the night here." I’m all for more space, but some communication is necessary. Please if you are asking someone for more space, understand that the person asking feels as if they have been sidelined, and now feel like a ragdoll that must wait to hear how the person asking for space feels. That the other person can do whatever they want and the person giving more space must simply smile and support them while being suddenly being left alone all the time without consideration for how THEY feel.
Take care
Life is way too short to be treated like ****! After 24 years I deserve better!
You know the old saying
" where angels dare to tread!"
Now we are splitting up why?
Because she is on chat rooms talking to all these other guys!
Talk is cheap! Just be careful coming from one man to another
Take care
For your girlfriend, a week isn’t that long really... All you can do is wait now.. Good Luck to you . hugs!
That is what I had going on - health issues which he wasn’t being supportive of... which is one of the reasons why but there were other small things - confusing things - that would happen off and on that would have me questioning stuff to my friends - red flags...
Women and men deal with things differently - maybe she was overwhelmed - you spend that much time with a new person and than you lose yourself and you are like "where did I go?"
All you can do now is wait for her to response back and tell you...
At least you didn’t freak out and get all nasty like mine did... give yourself points for being understanding and mature about it - I wouldn’t send any more cards or texts.....ball is in her court now.
It feels like withdraw because you were together all the time - go and do stuff you did before her... You stuff. You can’t control what she is going to do... Space can mean no contact ... but it doesn’t mean breakup so hang in there.
When you do start texting keiep it light and no begging or asking to get back together
Remember your a new person and if it does work out it is a new relationship!
Throwout the old drama and start fresh. You may find out you do not even want that person anymore
My boyfriend need so much space... But he ever said that... I have understand it on myself and he wants that also... And sometimes it is hard to understand...
Let me explain a bit more and this is important if you feel like you are in an elastic band relationship which feels like an emotional roller coaster of closeness and then distance, then closeness and distance it may be helpful to look at this from a psychological / therapeutic angle, especially if you have challenged this and are then told you are “Too sensitive”, “Too needy” or you are “Over-reacting.”
What may be happening here is a clash of “Attachment Styles”. You may have an Anxious or Secure style and your partner may have an Avoidant one? We do not all have the same capacity for intimacy as each other. We are all different.
I will explain. Almost all the people in the World are split into 3 types of people who have different ways of relating to people who are important to them. 50% of people are ‘Securely Attached’ and 25% each are ‘Anxiously Attached’ and ‘Avoidantly Attached.’
As you might imagine the older you get the likelihood of you meeting and dating an anxiously or avoidantly attached person becomes more likely as the securely attached people tend to stay in long term happy relationships..
A brief description of each attachment style is below and these apply not to one moment in time, but generally in relationships:
Anxiously Attached
I worry often that my partner will stop loving me and leave.
I feel that once my partner really gets to know me, they wont like the real me.
When I am not with my partner I feel lonely, anxious and incomplete.
When my partner is not with me, I feel that they may become interested in someone else.
Securely Attached
I feel comfortable with trusting and relying on my partner.
I don’t feel the need to play games or manipulate my partner.
It is easy for me to express my deepest needs honestly with my partner.
I believe that most people in the world are honest and dependable.
Avoidantly Attached
I find it difficult to support my partner when they are down or distressed.
My independence is more important to me than my relationship.
I find it difficult to depend on my partner.
I miss my partner when we are apart, but when we are together I feel the need to get away
The worse thing that can happen is that you are anxiously attached and your partner is avoidantly attached? This will create a lot of conflict, as you will want intimacy, reassurance and closeness, but they will want to pull away and want independence..Although at some level, they enjoy your dependence on them as it boosts their sense of power they get from feeling independent, which is when they pull you closer, but it does not last long.. Of course this pulling and pushing will result in a lot of conflict and you are likely to be very unhappy.
Do not use ‘Protest Behaviour,’ ‘act out’, sulk, or go silent, do ‘No contact,’ play mind games, or use jealousy. This only creates even more conflict and pushes them further away, and takes the focus off their dysfunctional behaviour and puts it on yours.
The best thing you can do if you are secure or anxious and have an avoidant partner is to be very brave, vulnerable and honest with them and explain sensitively, assertively and clearly exactly what you want from them. Make a list you can read to them. Read out your expectations of the relationship and what you need from them to make you happy and ask them outright if they can deliver it?
If they can’t confirm they can meet your needs for whatever reason, (you may find them saying you are unreasonable) then unfortunately your relationship is likely to fail at some point and you may waste years on a pointless romance.
But have some hope..It is possible to try and modify attachment styles. Its easier to change your own if you are anxious, but changing the attachment style of an avoidant is quite difficult and usually takes a lot of work. If you feel you have this problem, you know who to ask.
Good luck :)
She stated she needs space to find herself and work on herself. She also stated she loves me alot and that she cares about me.. but that her feelings for our relationship weren’t there like she wants them to be.. I asked her so your over me? & she kept saying no while she cried her eyes out..
She said give me this space for a month or two, but she also made it seem like we werent going to be together anymore by stating in glad you were my first and ill always be here for you... So i myself am confused as to whats happening? Does she need time to realize how much she really loves me or is she trying to move on? Can someone fill me up on this
His father texted me. They had a conversation this morning and told me that his son just need to reset his path and he will be back. Im hoping that he will and im willing to wait as long as i could but at the back of my mind i want to move forward. Its like 50/50.
He is a really nice guy and my first boyfriend. Everything was going perfectly until this happened. We rarely fight unlike before and i know that we are very compatible with each other. We even planned for our future. I feel that right now he wants to take his time (be single because he has been jumping on the next relationship immediately after breaking up with the previous since college, he is 26 btw) before going to the next stage (marriage) I love him so much but i feel like im holding on to something that might eventually be gone. Is it worth it? What should i do? Should i wait for a while and enjoy my time alone or should i completely move one?
Please help.
It’s just an easier way of saying I am breaking up with you!
Why would you want space from someone you are suppose to love and want to be with?
This space thing was not in the past in relationships and now it is here?!
It’s all ****!
Move on and find someone that wants to be with you!
That’s what I did when my wife wanted so called space and now I found somebody better!
After 5 weeks of NC my ex emailed, told me and apologized that he has fallen out of love. Last May he felt that something is not right with what he is feeling. He tried to fix himself and did not tell me about it because according to him it is his problem. Days and months passed by the feelings went back then disappeared again until he reached the point that he has nothing to give anymore. During our NC he came to a realization that he cannot see himself giving back those feelings to me again. He also want to split the savigs that we had and hand it out to his mother. (My friend said that maybe he feels guilty to see me in person)
It hurts so much because i already did closure to myself. I’m not expecting him to be back anymore. During NC I realized that I am not really happy and I cannot see my future with him. That the relationship was all about him. That I felt lost and unhappy with myself because I have been focusing too much on what he wants. I have been doubting my relationship with him way before he felt something is wrong, I just ignored it because I’m afraid to be alone. That fear made me think that I have become codependent and I dont want that.
The email just stabbed the wounds that are already healing. It is like going through the same pain that I experienced when he broke up with me. I did not reply back because it wont matter anyway, its over.
So now I’m 1 step back again because of what happened. I just hope I will recover from this right away because it is hindering me from making myself happy.
I just hope he takes to time fix himself first and not jump into the next relationship immediately to fill whatever is lacking in him. Not only it will hurt me but there are a lot of issues within himself that he has to deal with. He might be going to repeat the same pattern with his future relationships if he does not deal with those issues.
What is wrong with that guy. He has been doing that eversince he broke up with his 1st gf. Pattern? Serial monogamist?
Compliments to the author! Written so beautifully with so much honesty and truth.
He is not into sex. He believes in marriage before having sex (he is very keen about it, i dont know now) Maybe he got bored w/the relationship. I just dont want to dwell with it anymore. I’d rather move on and enjoy my life. He will never be contented with his life if that is his mindset.
If you believe that he s not having sex than you are blind..He,s not telling you cause he doesn’t want to hurt you in a way that he could never come back..H es acting like a lil ****..if this is a pattern that he ,s doing what some guys do...play)...again..guys leave women cause they not being satified sexually..women leave on emotions.. (most)...he s playing with ur emotions and because he knows you wont officially leave him..he ll keep you around til that one go...here s my advice move on for now..no calls no txt ....nothing...it s gonna be a long journey but once he realizes that he no longer have you..he ll come back.....don’t be a sucker..cause it ll happen again...
If you think about it, she could have left at any time in the last 9 years. There was a reason she stayed. Giving space, if used productively, can help.
Our relationship was going great, but due to health and demands from family and work overwhelming him making him lose sleep, angry and frustrated, he asked for space knowing that he would not be able to give me as much attention as he feels I deserve. He said that thoughts of seeing me bring up all kinds of anxiety. He can’t concentrate at work. Says he hasn’t felt like that since grad school stressing over exams.
He’s even told me that he feels I should find someone else and that he would miss me tremendously. He’s recently had some thoughts of suicide and is now seeking a therapist. I’ve always been very supportive and possibly clingy. I don’t want him to resent me for trying to help. He had told me that I am the best thing that has ever come his way and that I am wonderful and everything he’s ever wanted.
I asked if he was unhappy with me and wanted someone else and he replied no - that if he couldn’t have me, he certainly wouldn’t seek someone else. But, because he doesn’t know how long his condition would last, he doesn’t want to be unfair and keep me from finding my dreams or obtaining what he feels I deserve.
It’s only been a week so far and he’s text me twice to give me an update and see how I am doing. I haven’t initiated a text altho I am tempted to. What should I do? I miss him a lot.
When she told me she wanted space I thought "what have I done wrong".
She does have pressures at the moment, and I guess I am contributing to them by wanting to be in her life all the time.
What I thought I was doing was being supportive, helpful, a friend, a lover, her rock. What I was doing though was smothering her.
It took every ounce of my being to not just tell her we should end it. That I didn’t want to cause her any more pain. I love her with all that is me, so its hard when she says she wants space. So yes, it is an ego thing.
I am happy to say I am starting to deal with it really well. She says she loves me. She is a straight shooter and would never deceive me. I told her I hope she can understand my feelings on this. That I love her and want to be with her. And returning to my empty flat each evening after work will be difficult. I know though when she is ready to reconnect I will rush to her arms and it will be one of the happiest days of my life.
It used to bother me quite a bit in the past because I am the oposite of him but now I understand this need of his better and dont take it personally anymore. I know he needs it for his own peace of mind and I have to accept it as it is and not judge him for it.
When he returned under his UAW contract provisions. He came home to his job as if he had never left since he had an honorable discharge. This went tar beyond what the law provided for. The law only said he returned with the seniority he had accrued until he left. He returned against many of the communities objections he stay in the military, This included his father.
I had not known the trouble cased by his two previous returns from the Army before he hired into the Transmission plant job, The state Vetrens representative jumped him and other ex military to the front of the hiring line in 1976. In 1972 when he returned to complete his last Diploma requirements after basic and his first school the summer after his junior year, There w3as trouble over him and three other seniors getting so rough in a pre game practice with the boys that had fathers on the school board and were underclassmen They quit the team. It was not till three decades latter I found out exactly how my husband had aquired scares that crisscrossed his back. His father and four grown men surprised him knocking him out then punished him by tying him to a tree and with each swing of a electric cord whip demanded he say he was sorry.
My husbands retaliations for any one laying a hand on him without his permission now always end in some body’s broken bones and his informing them they will die the next time they even try, His own father in 2015 was laid out in the hall of a hotel with his neck broken trying to send him home under threat of a baseball bat beating saying I was the only one invited and my husband saying he did not care, if I was invited he was to.
Two times now trying to get my husband in line with other peoples wish’s I have been hurt, once in 2001 after spending the day before on my knees begging him to wait two more weeks for the next job bid list to go up and pick from that. Four men laid dying on our front porch the next morning. I was laying under the front door and frame with a broken ankle with him telling me if I ever locked him out to be attacked again he would see me in my grave. Those four men were just wanting him to remove his bid so they could get the better position. My husband took it under the union rules.
Then in 2009 to let a 24 year old get a honey moon for him and his bride He had 2 years to my husbands 34 years seniority. We were just asking him to wait for a better vacation we were setting up in January. And let us have the space for the young man and his new bride on the orient express seven months from then He threw me across an office we were using to tell him he was not going and beg him to understand this was needed, that we knew he had not had a day off except six recovering from a brain surgery in 2001. an We were saying that it would somehow be made up for. My shoulder was dislocated and it took seven men to stop him from strangling his father to death because he was again not getting time away from the job. It was just a total three decades were noting we wanted was accepted by my husband as what was needed in the community so he got nothing for him self for his defiance and rebellion.
Now we pray that nobody steps on his rights. He will kill to keep what he has. over three weeks ago I was asking to go on a river boat Cruise with my friends without him to New Orleans, I said just drive there to meet us and at least spend the last day of Mardi Gras. We were not denying his right to go just needed some space, He said its space you want its space you get, We were up at high range, He Had me and my son flown out as him and his dog Larceny packed out of the end of the canyon and vanished. We heard that his bank card was used in Green River to buy a military grade rubber raft and him and larceny set off down towards the Colorado As far as we can tell he’s moving fast with the current He was seen from a road Called white rim road. and many think he’s been through the rapids going into the Grand canyon on the Colorado. Hes given me my space but he made sure that we have to stay put. one of the things I know is his MRSA has reactivated, eating a hole in surgical scaring on his stomach he’s bleeding a lot, I have to stay in case of his being found either dead or to get treatment. The Blue tick dog he’s with will stay by him till the end.
In over three decades there has not been one thing accomplished without his defiance ruining everything 10 trips overseas was always met with his snide remarks about us having a good time while we required him to be a slave. We had spent almost every year trerying to get him to accept just one time frame for his vacations and holiday re[placement. Between every ones return from the holiday shutdown in January to Valentines day. He could have made up all days except missed weekends in time just by being understanding and doing his times off during this time. It would have made every ones life much easier. But at every tu8rn from 1985 to 2009 he hated this time frame just because we were trying to push it on him and tell him what to do so he would not even take the offered times.
The depression and resentments built for 24 years tio the point he made himself so depressed his immune system failed in 2009 allowing MRSA to get into a series of bruises and scares in his back. Even the trip to the Mideast was mared by his hatred of us when we went to visit him in rehab, HE said something about going on the Cancun cruise in 2015. Witch instantly set his father off about having to care for a cripple was not going to happen. His father boarded for the mid east with his face black and blue and a baseball sized knot on his forehead after my husband threw a stainless steal bed pan at him hitting him in the face yelling at both of us to get out. That was 2012.
His return home the Next year in January We just needed time to get him into traditions and understand we never expected him home walking with a cane, we needed him to understand that expectations had changed so much including me having an affair with an old boy friend, I was just so tired of being the Mercenary traitor bit** in our marriage and him just considering himself the one put out, when keeping him under some kind of control hurt me just about as bad. Sometimes worse.
I am sorry that we were forced by his atrtidude to the community force many to do as they did to make him continualy work. But if there was even an indication one time From 1985 to 2013 He might have been given some leeway with deciding for himself the rights he had. Now we all have falle4n under his fists and cane as well as court decisions. supporting his position.
I just did not know what to do to keep things peaceful in our life. If he had his way then the community and his father would have been howling at me about it. So I with many others curtailed his freedoms hoping the firsdt two yeas he would go back to the military. after that it was to protect our needs, Now we just hope that we don’t find ourselves in jail. with the evidence he gathered against us about denial of his civil libertys.
You should probably have a talk with her about what it is she needs, be understanding and let her know how it makes you feel (but don’t be defensive - show that you care about her). Maybe even offer to meet these guys to "see what great friends they are" and to maybe hang out sometimes.
Basically, you want to show her what a great understanding open-minded guy you are and trying to see what she sees in them. Otherwise, if she refuses, esp. if there’s a chance that she still gets sexual favors from them, you may want to think twice about marriage.
I can do a better job communicating this. I just really hope they can also try to understand and respect it as well. It’s exhausting. But this article was helpful. I feel understood.
He did not say a word just got on his laptop and informed the bank to not let me have the funds needed HE would arrange for a double berth for both of us.
I just wanted time with friends that he insulted over the Christmas of 2015 by pointing a 30 30 at everyone and telling them to get out of his house and making sure I knew he was not to be told to eat in the barn for a holiday meal again in 2015 over Christmas. I saw his mother shrink in size and she was dead the next June. Hoping my husband would make some kind of reconciliation with his father and everyone.
I don’t think that is even possible now. He felt like we kept him only as a slave for 31 years until he came home in 2013 to take every right he felt he had earned including his right to sex from me by forcing me as I begged and pleaded with him to meet me, his father, and mother and everyone I could reach in four hours after a dinner I was invited to but he was not since we did not know he was coming back that day from a stress center. I was pleading with him to meet us then an place he chose. With the full intention of hammering out a agreement to work him into traditions and into the life he had missed for 32 years because we tried to get him to just do as he was told. He could have had lots of time off to rest if he would have just taken the least used time for his vacation and to replace the days he worked over holidays, The whole period between January second and Valentines day was always the best time he could have the time he wanted instead of the prime months between march and October when everyone else wanted in his departments. HE could have used personal time to Replace the time worked over the holidays so many did no0t have to miss time with children and family’s, He resented the hell out of us trying and succeeding with blackmail and even force to try and make things work out for everyone in this way and just would not take the suggested options and never got any rest and twice this caused him to be very ill. Once with a Tumor on the top of his brain stem causing hydrocephalus. When his father and coworkers forced him back on his job six days after that surgery Many people were fired for allowing them to force him on the job, but they needed the parts so bad that my husband produced on hose machines they did not put him back on sick leave but paid time and a half and double time for the entire 54 days he was supposed to have on sick leave.
The mistake then was they forced him back to work just as the company was finishing a brand new plant. The company put up the first bid list that September for new positions in the new plant to be filled by seniority.
One of these positions his father and others felt should have been held for people and families of social, political and family position in the community. My husband never had felt this ideal was worth what he would scrape off his shoe. He had demonstrated that on his 45th birthday of january 5th 2000. We had to have him taken into custody and escorted to work from the 23 of December. to the second of January to keep him from making other lesser seniority who also had major plans to have the millennials off, Many of them had major plans for going to other places for the big celebrations. His father and my husband had a major argument about making others do things he was able to do himself, he could make up the time with personal time later. WE flew out for Bavaria on that day with his words echoing that he wish our flight would disapaer into the ocean or slam into a mountain. the fight was bad enough that it transfered into the rest of the family snubbing me and his father The fight in our his parents hotel room was bad enough the hotel physition had to be called to their room to stich his fathers head after she slammed a heave ashtray of his head. when he told her that one day my husband would just have to cave in to the wishes of his friends and the community. She was yelling what did he think my husband owed any of our leach friends.
We hoped that when we returned on his 45th birthday that he would have calmed down enough to listen to our proposal that we had spent ah hour on the phone with his union president arranging, The two weeks off starting on his birthday to replace the time he should have had off with his seniority.
We were going back with hat proposal, a Birthday, Christmas and peace offering gift that set the whole group back 1300.00, We were also going to beg to wipe the resentments and complaints my husband had from the last 15 years about my blackmail, the court orders that did not allow him time off except by permission of the court, He had always felt his freedom was taken from him without cause over that. HE was just so proud and stubborn he would not take the times the courts were willing to give him. in mid winter from January the second to February the 14th. With a little prior planning and acceptance we could have gone someplace nice at that time and made a peace and even started a family.
I always hoped we could plan for a nice Tropic island vacation or something just as nice for the mid winter He Did plan a vacation for the winter of 2002 but he had to cancel because his doctors felt a long trip to Australia would be to much at a high altitude for an arterial clip in his head to take. That first attempt was canceled for medical reasons.
Then the horrible violence when he did not care about social position when he took the job he wanted at the new plant in a bid. Then the bad feelings he created with the insults he delivered on his 45th birthday, in the refusal to entertain any compromise to bring our life to something near normal. I was going to suggest we put up a tree and have everything a Christmas ofrfered including the breakfasts and dinners he had missed, His mother was willing to fix her Nice breads. two days after flying in, The family would all sit down and have a peaceful discusion of what kind of future could be forged in the community with just getting rid of the animosity and the court orders needed to make my husband do what was right. In the Suburban he said something that sent chills down my spine. He would no longer have to worry about his fathers friends orders. That by the next year he would be free to make his own decisions about what he was due. We found out he had found out about priviliged count information about his fathers judge friend. His fathers friend really needed Drug rehab. But my husband had discovered fro the deputies that had escorted him to work that the judge had also tamered with evidence and made some judicial decisions to keep his supply in place. He was on a tip from persons unknown. The week long investigation showed the Judicial review board in the capital that something had to be done, They removed his fathers friend off the bench in cuffs by conservation officers and Confiiscated all decisions from ten years past in the court record.
One decision that was let to stand was not allowing my husband to divorce. Because I am bi polar Then in 2001 I was begging on my knees just to let four men have the job my husband and three of his friends took with seniority threatening to take the plant on strike and cripple the company.. I was pleading him to just think about what they were doing and wait two more weeks for the next bid list and chose from that bid list. My husband said he had taken the last time from any of us that he was taking the back seat from then on. His fathers best friend was the county commissioner at that time, looking to be the next congress man from that district, When my husband took that position with his three friends he shot down the four men wanting that department in the taking of that position. I was told to offer him everything he wanted except the position that my husband was denied for the last 16 years, the holidays off, I was going to offer a start in sex to our marriage on a rocky mountian winter Train Ride to Southern California between the thanksgiving holiday he was being offered off. and Christmas shutdown If he just removed his bid I would start a sex life on the vacation, and after that Any time he wanted was his as he wanted I even said I would make the reservations the next month for both of us too Ireland in the summer of 2003 All he had to do was wait just two more weeks and take a job off that bid list instead of get into the plans other people were making for the job he was going to take. That time I was not asking for months and years and getting nothing but his middle finger about it or a cussing out that left me crying. I was just asking for two weeks and nobody would ever ask another thing of him, or tell him he was doing something he did not want to do, I said I wanted to start a family. He told me to take his pi** father and my tramp self and both of us could step out on the interstate with a semi truck doing full speed when it wiped us out of existence and his life We had lied to him the last 16 years, I personaly had gotten him nicknamed the married monk while I had sex with other men. And danced the last 8 years in topless dance clubs and had sex with how many other men while he always worked, I would refuse sex with him always promising the next time he had off we would have what he was supposed to get as a husband before any one else, It was the same with time out of the plant He had to get sick first and if I thought that was a day off I was badly mistaken getting that hole drilled to the center of his head that summer. We could not even let him recover on sick leave like other employees. I was standing there crying that he had not been hurt to bad by going back when he did. He had certainly made our ears hurt over it and had hurt others when they forced him back on the job, I said now he was on the verge of getting everything the way he wanted. all he had to do was wait two weeks and chose a job on the next bid list let the commissioners son have that department with his friends so they cold get his father his seat in congress.
I was informed that he did not care for his fathers friend, he had been a lousy publlic servant for years, only looking at what young girl he could get to his bed, He said as far as he knew I might have been one of them. I had not. I did have a few affairs in the last 16 years Bi Polar hurts without sex. And if my husband had been offered the first thing he wanted then nobody would deal with him. It was a case of give an inch he would take the country.
That day he showed us we were never going to deal with him again unless it was his terms the next morning leaving those four men badly hurt and my ankle broken. His father and others felt for interfering in their plans to get a friend in congress he had to drop his run to care for his son who had just been hurt by my husband.
My husband took that midnights position and I continued saying no to him about sex after quiting dancing, The next eight years I did not hear the first nice thing about me I Went on vacation to Ireland hearing what a bi*** I was for handing his father his passport to keep him from going and When we came back in 2006 fron The Scandinayia trip he was getting rough with his own legal complaints nearly getting us jailed for withholding his passport from him in a safe deposit box, We had to give the current one back while US marshals took the others for destruction. All we were trying to do on the oreimt express was let a young man get a good start to his married life with a four month pregnant bride when we canceled my husbands trip on the express and he was going to get his passport in the mail the next week from TSA but he started throwing me around dislocating my shoulder and tried to kill his father, We were telling him that we had a surprise for him in just 210 more days he would finally get a vacation we had set it up and he was getting it for Christmas.
I just heard unaceptable He was not going back to work that day . He was driving to O’hare and catching a direct flight to beat us to Europe and start harassing us from Paris to the golden horn
Then just to ruin every plan we had at every stop , It was already ruining the planed Anniversary party for his parents 55th in Brussels when his mother left also when TSA put him on a no fly for that threat, saying that we could all take a bath in the ocean until we drowned for doing this to her oldest son I was in a single berth hurting all the way across Europe. His father was when he was abklle to be heard angry that his son just would not subject himself to whart he wanted from him just to do what was best for the society we lived in and stop thinking of what he wanted, He looked at me and said that he could not get him under any control now. He said that with 35 years seniority the next year he did not have to care aboiut any ones needs, HE said it was up to me now to just let him do as he wanted or try and hold back the flood of him just doing as he pleased> I knew when we got back it was going to be a nasty reception. I just did not know the depth of his hate when we finally got home, we had not seen him when a deputy slapped the cuffs on both myself and his father.
When the judge asked why did I think I had the right to cancel his vacation I said I was his wife I should have something to say. She looked at me and said my sentence was 7 months to a year. in the county lock up and she asked his father the same. He said somebody had to keep his son from just hitting the local society in the teeth when he wanted his way, WE Were given the same sentence for acting as false agency.
I stood in front of my husband as he walked past pleading with him that I would never deny what he wanted again including a sex life. He said After I learned my lesson maybe he would consider letting me leave and go home to my mothers, He would claim spousle abandonment. and try and get a life of his own. He just flipped his father off when he said he was just trying to get him to be a man. as we were lead away.
We were let in to talk to him after labor day after our release from just about three months time in county It was two months and 20 days. He informed me he was going to shorten the leash a lot with the money putting me under a monthly allowance, He told his father if he said one word he would kill him on the spot he had nothing to say.
Two months latter my husband was on the table fighting for his life after MRSA got into a deep bruise in his back causing an abscess around his spine that caused what the doctors said looked like swiss chess and the backbone to slip crushing his cord and partialy severing it. . My husband hated us for letting the doctors keep him alive. In 2013 when he came home from Rehab he discovered I was in another affair, and that one landed him in a stress center, His father had been trying to tell his mother that their son had caused so much trouble not being the man he should have been at his job he had caused the changes the company insisted on bout signing that over time for none 100 percent days was voluntary and if someone missed the time they were supposed to work then even the first offence cost in money.
You cant turn down the days and be forced from the outside because entry cards would be locked out, It was discovered that many where done like my husband, Most the other like hi m did not make waves like my husband did. people have to plan according to seniority and not tradition.
I have heard from friends that they cant get the times they had needed, they had been forced in on holidays because as they put it some lowlife scum had seniority on them and taken the times they felt they needed.
I heard it even lead to somebody dying when he showed up at the house of a man that would not back off his vacation when he started to lift his gun to threaten another man that he really needed the slot the other man had: the other man let him come across his threshold and blew the other mans gun arm off with a ten guage. Nothing the police could do. except leave with the body, Before he died his father said that was what happened when the social order broke down.
People that had real needs that were not the scum of the earth like his son became in the insistence of having rights. He told his oldeset son on the day of his mothers funeral that he had created to many problems just because he would not accept he had a role to fill. He said he was sad that he would die hated because he just would not do as he was told, That was nine months before he died, When He came home from the stress center after what he did to my affair partner, I was Getting ready to go to a dinner event with his mother father and his fathers best friend. The then ex county commissioner. I Was In the bedroom getting ready to go when I stepped out right into my already angry husbands chest. We had planed a hall and dinner for him in three more days so we could as a group and family try and work out the way he was going to be worked into our social life as a cripple. HE told me that evening there was nothing to work out He was taking everything he should have had for 31 years. From that second on he informed me that he came first in our marriage and life, and he was the final and only judge and arbiter in all parts of that life as long as I resided under his roof that he provided.
I am free to leave. I will be going back to a house we own on the east coast soon in Newport News, I am trying to talk to my husband about going wit my mother and me. I want to winter someplace much warmer than Wyoming this year. My husband says he probably just going to stay right here. I want hm to be as much with our son as he can. The reason we took this decision was, even he wants Ray to have the benifit’s of he best education possible Next year he will be in first grade. I told my husband there are other people in his family that would love to spend time at high range just for its high price sign a lease for two years, Another couple wants to do the same with canyon house and his cousin will buy Bart and Betty and look after the two property’s for twenty five percent of the rent. My sister and her husband want to stay in their place across the road. she says why should we go back there My husband does not was to go.
If it was up to him and, I am careful not to enrage him, he would vanish into the wilds. I want someplace with people around for my son. kids he can play with.
Not even trying to get things ordered the way he wanted through discussion, instead of everything becoming hit high and hard and break everything he could.
I hope in his isolation that he finds a new insight into life and peace, If he never come out then I will have him declared dead in five years.
True I will try to keep it mind.